On the 20-80 scouting scale, Maddux’s velocity through his prime was a 55-60, solidly above average, and the movement, command and control were all 70s to 80s.

Good 10U pitchers throw mid 50's. In memory of "Catchingcoach" - Dave Weaver: February 28, 1955 - June 17, 2011. There’s a big difference between 89 and 92. Greg Maddux career pitching statistics for Major League, Minor League, and postseason baseball

Again, just from what I've seen with my own eyes all of last year and this year. They have, however, had a variety of pitching prospects with mediocre fastball velocity, but good control, or at least reported good control. This page was generated at 03:00 PM. With the Braves, he won the 1995 World Series over the Cleveland Indians.

Second, comparing a guy who has above average to good control in the minors to the pitcher with the greatest combination of pitch movement and control in the history of baseball is a disservice to the young pitcher. Or standard pitchers like Jamie Moyer and Greg Maddux. My son is 12yo. Maddux never threw 95, and spent the last 6 or 7 years of his career with his fastball velocity slowly creeping from the high 80s to the mid 80s. Gregory Alan Maddux (born April 14, 1966) is an American college baseball coach and former Major League Baseball (MLB) pitcher. This approach works when you look at the stats, but it's a bit underwhelming in person.

A key to the strategy is the batter's underestimating the pitcher's stuff. The back end of this tradition, however, always involves the proponents of the soft tossing prospects arguing, “but Greg Maddux didn’t throw hard!”. I’m rooting for Hendricks. Good 12U pitchers are usually at least mid 60's. All times are GMT-8. The first to achieve a number of feats and records, he was the first pitcher in major league history to win the Cy Young Awardfour consecutive … This attitude will just perpetuate people's fixation on velocity as an end in and of itself rather than a means to an end. A lot of these kids can flat out hit. If this is your first visit, be sure to Pitching to contact is more of an art but it's no less effective, and is easier on the arm, when you're doing it right. So, first of all, comparing guys who throw 89-90 to in prime Maddux is inaccurate. It's certainly not as sexy as a guy who's just bringing it (but who may not be able to consistently throw strikes and who gives up a lot of BBs as a result). The four elements of a fastball are velocity, movement, control and command. It's the only time it works.

Part of the Baseball Almanac family: 755 Home Runs | Baseball Box Scores | Baseball Fever | Today in Baseball History. Copyright © 1999-2017. Although his fastball often sat in the upper 80s, he enjoyed plenty of success. Since Andrew Cashner, no high ceiling starting pitching prospects both succeeded in the upper minors and eventually debuted with the Cubs. From Nick Struck to Chris Rusin, this tradition is now being held up by Kyle Hendricks. With Jake Arrieta likely not ready for the start of the season, some call for Hendricks to get a shot at a spot in the rotation to start the season, despite Hendricks only starting six Triple A games.

Fans, writers, and analysts too often use it to set up a philosophical dichotomy between a guy like Maddux and a guy like Randy Johnson. Maddux relied on a sinker, circle changeup, cutter, and two- and four-seam fastball during his 23-year career. I know there's no way to know for sure, but what percentage of people would you say really believe in their hearts that some pitcher throwing some low velocity would have his ball. However, that induces them to swing and, when he's keeping the ball down, they rarely square up on the ball.

In USSSA Majors or AAA a 13U pitcher throwing in the 50's would usually get hammered. We also empahsize location and movement along with velocity. Finally, although its something of a cliché, anyone who paid close attention during the all star game had to hear the announcers talking about what old timers tell young ML studs to try to get them to throw to contact. Velocity REALLY doesn't matter that much even at this level. In some ways that statement is correct. Maddux is best known for his accomplishments while playing for the Atlanta Braves and the Chicago Cubs.

The pitcher who’s afraid to throw strikes, will soon be standing in the shower with the hitter who's afraid to swing. All Rights Reserved by Baseball Almanac, Inc. Privacy Policy. Written by Noah Eisner, Posted in General, Minor League.

He is the pitching coach at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. The fastest are over 70. You’ve been around modern ML pitchers, coaches and management. They are usually over or under it. I try to teach my pitchers to not view contact as a bad thing.

Greg Maddux. In 13U I had a weak armed leftfielder I sometimes used once through the lineup against free swinging teams. That sounds exactly like many stories that for some reason can’t be explained by the velocity worshipers. But let’s allow him to be that before we start comparing him to one of the greatest pitchers, if not the greatest pitcher, of most of our lifetimes. If guys are getting their bats on the ball, but aren't squaring up on the ball, they the pitcher's doing his job.

“And I believe that.

I clocked him last night between 53-56 mph both from 46ft and 54ft.
If it were just a matter of velocity, how do all these “experts” explain the tremendous success of so many KB P’s like Wilhelm, and so many others? A 92 mile per hour fastball with fantastic movement and pinpoint control and command. | Sign In.

The problem is that many coaches at the youth, HS, and even college level don't have the confidence to trust a guy who used this approach, often because they manage by their guts and not by the numbers. If your playing a good travel team, they will crush mid 50's fastballs whether they are painting the corners or not. Mid 50's is very slow for a 12yo. What do they say?

check out the. A 92 mile per hour fastball with fantastic movement and pinpoint control and command. I think that a high percentage of people THINK they can crush my son's sinker when they see the velocity in warm-ups. He could be a solid, cost controlled back end of the rotation piece. Vintage Maddux leads to instant walk-off classic 4/14/2020 at 4:49 PM 4/14/2020 at 4:49 PM Greg Maddux talks career, charities, birthday, more Born: April 14, 1966 in San Angelo, TX us Draft: Drafted by the Chicago Cubs in the 2nd round of the 1984 MLB June Amateur Draft from Valley HS (Las Vegas, NV).. High School: Valley HS (Las Vegas, NV) Debut: September 2, 1986 (Age 20-141d, 12,833rd in MLB history) Although his fastball often sat in the upper 80s, he enjoyed plenty of success. But prior to his decline, Maddux threw a 92 mile per hour fastball. But prior to his decline, Maddux threw a 92 mile per hour fastball. I can't speak for lower levels.

My friend who used to coach the Dodgers likes to tell the story about how the ML hitters used to drool when they’d see the Dodgers pitchers coming in, then wonder what the heck had happened when they’d gone 0-3 or 1-4 and lost the game. I bought in to that. “It’s not a speed contest, it’s a pitching contest,” Maddux told WSCR's Matt Spiegel. The reason I get a hoot when I hear it is, my friend who was a ML pitching coach has told me what seems like a million times that he used to tell young pitchers in the organization pretty much the same thing. Maddux relied on a sinker, circle changeup, cutter, and two- and four-seam fastball during his 23-year career. Is the general thought that they should fear contact? Copyright 2003-2016 View From The Bleachers. Well, In my opinion, velocity does matter at the 12U and up.

Johnson had the nasty stuff and the big fastball… The four elements of a fastball are velocity, movement, control and command. Just because a ball isn’t traveling at warp 9, it doesn’t mean it will be hit, if it gets hit it will be hit solidly, and if it gets hit solidly that it would miss every glove on the field.

Position: Pitcher Bats: Right • Throws: Right 6-0, 170lb (183cm, 77kg) .

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